revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there, somewhere, somewhere, in time. we'll see. meantime, market taking it in stride as we head to the close with 50 minutes left in the trading day. the dow down 41 points. at the low of the day we were down 56. >> we're going to start hearing the impact of sandy as we approach the holiday shopping season. sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming